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oprn Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 4:58 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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I like it! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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cdennisg Samba Member

Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20775 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2025 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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goober wrote: |
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I made another gas powered motorized bicycle, |
Cool, but your photos cannot be hosted here, since they are not VW content. They will be deleted by a moderator at some point I suspect. _________________ nothing |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14568 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 5:22 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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cdennisg wrote: |
goober wrote: |
5-22-25
I made another gas powered motorized bicycle, |
Cool, but your photos cannot be hosted here, since they are not VW content. They will be deleted by a moderator at some point I suspect. |
There is a Beetle in the background. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1527 Location: san diego
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 10:04 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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one of my neighbours has an aircooled motor on his bicycle.
l wish l was deaf when he is riding it about the neighbourhood.
the noise is horrendous, it would be a lot less of an issue if he didn't go to work on it before 06:00 daily, l can hear him for at least a mile.
l know the route he goes, l drive the same route, mostly up hill, so he's ''on it'' all the time. _________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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calvinater Samba Member

Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3537 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 11:51 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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Mark, a few strategitly placed roof nails should solve the issue. _________________ "Albatross"! |
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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1527 Location: san diego
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 11:55 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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no sir, that's not kosher, to do damage to someone else's property, just because it's too noisy.
best l'll do, is hope he is abducted by aliens, and given the appropriate probing.
calvinater wrote: |
Mark, a few strategitly placed roof nails should solve the issue. |
_________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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goober Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2003 Posts: 1232
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2025 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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I putt-putt quietly, safely and legally blending in as I follow the Rules of the Road. There's no excuse for being reckless or offensive. As a motorized bicycle we have a right to be on the road but we also have an obligation to follow the Rules of the Road. A vehicle making undue noise should be ticketed. A driver violating the Rules of the Road or local laws should be ticketed. Illegal vehicles should be ticketed.
If people riding motorized bicycles break laws, damage property or injure people they will simply pass laws making us the same as every other vehicle using the road. That means, title, registration, license, plates and insurance. And who's going to spend that kind of time, money and hassle to go 14 mph?
To those riding putt putts I would like to remind them that we've got a good inexpensive fun thing going, let's not ruin it. It would make me unhappy. |
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Malokin Martin Samba Member

Joined: August 19, 2007 Posts: 3259 Location: E-burg
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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I rode (drove?) one of these to school for a full 6 months. My one piece of advice is that the spokes on the bike rim arenât meant for this. I had one fly past my head like an arrow⦠you know that sound they make on the movies? Yeah. Extremely lucky.
I didnât see if yours were âupgradedâ but I wouldnât ever ride a gas/electric conversion if they werenât. For what itâs worth. |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14568 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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Can't see why that would happen if the spokes are checked regularly and kept in tune. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52572 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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oprn wrote: |
Can't see why that would happen if the spokes are checked regularly and kept in tune. |
Depends on the quality of the wheel and it's intended use, a 5 year old kid doesn't make 5 HP. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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oprn Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 5:09 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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It's really not about HP, it's about torque and any reasonably fit adult can produce as much or more torque than a 50cc engine but for a shorter duration of course. That is why serious bike racers have a guy on the team that tunes wheels. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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cdennisg Samba Member

Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20775 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:42 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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oprn wrote: |
It's really not about HP, it's about torque and any reasonably fit adult can produce as much or more torque than a 50cc engine but for a shorter duration of course. That is why serious bike racers have a guy on the team that tunes wheels. |
Also, the torque applied to the spokes from a motor kit is in a different place than the torque from the chain/hub combo. Spoked wheels are a very ingenious design, and applying pressure to the spokes where no pressure is intended can cause problems. _________________ nothing |
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goober Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2003 Posts: 1232
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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On spokes...
I'm no expert on bicycle wheels but I've always assumed your typical bottom-end box-store steel bike wheels would withstand around 300lbs total weight using 14ga (2.0mm/.079") spokes.
I center mount/clamp my rear wheel pulley to the hub then help hold it squarely in place with a support from between the spokes. There's no direct engine load on the spokes proper. My legal motor only puts out 1 hp (31cc). I also have caliper rim brakes.
I broke 2 rear wheel spokes with my 1st putt-putt. I tensioned and trued the wheel better and it seems to have helped. Most of the weight was on the rear wheel. My current putt-putt has the weight better distributed between the wheels.
I weigh about 215 lbs and the current putt-putt weighs about 65 lbs. The 1st putt-putt weighs about 70 lbs. I was thinking about 12ga (2.6mm/.102") spokes but my top legal speed is only 20mph/32kph. I do most of my putt-putting under 15mph/24kph on smooth roads. On occasion, even cyclists pass me by.
I'll see how my latest wheels/spokes hold up. |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14568 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Today 4:46 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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Applying power directly to the spokes is NOT very smart! Of course that will lead to failure! How could it not? _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52572 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Today 7:41 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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cdennisg wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
It's really not about HP, it's about torque and any reasonably fit adult can produce as much or more torque than a 50cc engine but for a shorter duration of course. That is why serious bike racers have a guy on the team that tunes wheels. |
Also, the torque applied to the spokes from a motor kit is in a different place than the torque from the chain/hub combo. Spoked wheels are a very ingenious design, and applying pressure to the spokes where no pressure is intended can cause problems. |
Exactly!, the way the spokes are laced makes a difference in how much torque it can stand, motorized spokes originate from the sides of the hub, weight only spokes are in a nearly straight line from the axle. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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oprn Samba Member

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Posted: Today 10:35 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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I can't say that I have ever seen spokes straight from the hub on anything larger than a kid's tricycle. That would be extremely weak! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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Malokin Martin Samba Member

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Posted: Today 11:54 am Post subject: Re: I've finished my motor-bicycle. |
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oprn wrote: |
Can't see why that would happen if the spokes are checked regularly and kept in tune. |
Iâm not making it up if that what youâre wondering. Do what you want. I broke several spokes. Same set up through the rear hub as yours but with center mount engine/tank. Front and rear canât handle it day in/out. Youâre asking a simple pedal mountain bike to do dramatically more without changing anything.
Imagine if you swapped an aircooled engine for a Subaru, you âshouldâ change a lot of other mechanicals. Same premise. |
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