Ignition and Tune-Up Parts

[JSR5150]

The transport company is delivering our '72 Ghia Coupe today. We're pretty excited!

I want to do a basic tune up and replace the fluids right out of the gate (the transmission fluid debate post was very enlightening and entertaining ). But I've noticed there are different distributors, and being new to VW's I'd like to ask a couple of dumb questions.

First, I noticed there are ignition parts available for several distributor types - 009, 050, and stock Bosch. How do you identify which distributor you have?

Second, I also noticed references on the vendor sites to Type 1 and Type 3 engines. What's the story on this, and how do you ID?

I've included engine bay pics from the BAT listing, since the car hasn't arrived yet. Thanks in advance for helping a VW rookie!

[Glenn]

You have a Type 1 dual port engine. The carb and distributor will have part number on the side of them.

Yours looks to be the correct one foe your year, a DVDA, meaning it has both vacuum advance and retard along with mechanical advance.

Double check the distributor number but it looks to be a 113-905-205AN.

Here's the tune up parts it uses:
Points: 01 011
Condensor: 02 054
Cap: 03 010
Rotor: 04 033

Spark plugs are Bosch W8AC or equivalent, 1/2" reach 14mm
Spark plug wires a Bosch 09001 or equivalent

Engine oil depends on condition of the engine. Either a 10W30 or 10W40
Gear lube is Valvoline 80W90 GL5
Brake Fluid is DOT 4

Get the Bentley shop manual, it has tons of info.

And welcome to the club.

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WARNING!!!!

Do something with the fuel filter.

no clamps
replace with a metal filter
Move out of the engine compartment and under by the transaxle if possible.

Too many car fires have occurred on cars with exactly what you have. Plastic cracks, no clamps and right about the spark plug wires.

Gas and spark = FIRE.
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[Era Vulgaris]

One thing to be aware of with your DVDA distributor, is that it requires a DVDA-compatible version of the 34pict-3 carb to get maximum performance. The DVDA-compatible version has a larger size hole in the throttle butterfly, and you can determine if it is compatible or not by the base flange number on the carb. Alot of people poo-poo the DVDA because they're trying to run it with an SVDA-compatible version of the 34pict-3.

I can't quite tell from the pic, but it looks like you might have an aftermarket replacement carb. If so, it might be worthwhile for you to track down the correct carb for your DVDA distributor. If you find one that needs rebuilding, contact Volkzbitz.com

Any carb that matches with the 205AN will work

Or conversely, you could pic up an original German Bosch 034 SVDA to go with that carb you have. Several folks in the classifieds rebuild them if need be. Don't buy an aftermarket SVDA though. The advance curve from the aftermarket vac canisters aren't the same as original.
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[Marcdeb]

Congratulations on your Ghia. I would be excited too. Not sure why bidding didn't go higher, but that was good for you. I think you got a bargain. It seems to be in great shape and still has a lot of originality which is not easy to find. Love the nice original interior. I would keep an eye out for some original door panels and you'll have a complete original interior. Very sharp car. Happy cruising!
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[JSR5150]

[Glenn]

There was on fuel filter from the factory.

Numbers are on the body.

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[JSR5150]

[JSR5150]

[heimlich]

Looks like you have an original distributor. The numbers should be on there. There will be at least a Bosch number. You may also set another set of numbers that are three sets of three numerical digits followed by one or more letters. If you could write down what they are I can provide you a list of tuneup parts.
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[wcfvw69]

That's a very original looking engine right there with the factory stenciling on the fan shroud still legible. I love original survivor engines. It does have an aftermarket fuel pump where it should have a German Pierburg square top fuel pump installed. It's missing the throttle positioner on the carb.

As the other poster noted, the carb looks aftermarket and if so, its not a correct match for a DVDA distributor. The hole in the throttle plate is too small so it will struggle to idle when timed to 5° ATDC. [email protected] will have the correct rebuilt German Solex carb if you want to get it back to bone stock.

However, the DVDA distributor was one of the three parts of the smog system. Your carb doesn't have the throttle positioner installed so your altitude corrector isn't hooked up either if it's still in the engine compartment. If you don't plan on running those smog items, you don't need to run the DVDA distributor and you could transition to a restored Bosch SVDA distributor which will work with an aftermarket 34-3 carb. Very few VW's still on the road are running the smog equipment anymore. Usually the altitude correctors are inop as the two diaphragms inside them dry up and blow out.
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[BulliBill]

Bill ("vcfvw69") right above this reply is the "go-to" guy to trust with info and for a beautifully and correctly rebuilt fuel pump and distributor for your engine. And [email protected] is the "go-to" guy for a beautifully rebuilt carburetor for that Ghia of yours. And "heimlich" has lots of NOS ignition parts in stock. All are good guys to help you out!

Congrats on joining the Ghia party!

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[kent70ghia]

I second going with Tim/Volksbitz and Bill/Sparkwerks,. My 70 sat for about 15 years with little use, and in 2020, I had Tim restore my carb. Add the threaded inlet pipe! Bill helped me with a svda distributor to replace the 009 that I put on a long time ago, and I purchased a fuel pump from him. My car has never run better, and I bought it in 1982.

[Starbucket]

Your generator is clocked wrong, it needs to be rotated CCW 1/4 of a turn for proper cooling.

[Glenn]

[JSR5150]

[heimlich]

[JSR5150]

[heimlich]