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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2024 3:09 am    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Yass!
Finally got the last essential brake hose connection free. It is screwed into a brass block that also receives two hard lines, so you don’t want to twist it too much. There’s not much room for a spanner but I removed the nut that holds the brass block in place and a 19mm was able to brace it and then it was just a 2 spanner ‘squeeze’.
What a relief!
The hose is from Feb 1984, so probably due changing!
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2024 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Well done Smile
it is a PITA working up there
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2024 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Ian Godfrey wrote:
Well done Smile
it is a PITA working up there


You’re telling me Ian! The car is only on low ramps and I am 6’3” so you get me self in a bit of a tangle at times!
Thanks for the tip, which helped me think laterally.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2024 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Man, this brake job will be the death of me!
I had an experienced friend come to help today, so we freed up the last of the stuck hoses. Three of them refused to release even with ring spanner’s off the car, so I don’t feel too bad that we had to hacksaw one of the hard lines to get a socket on the nut.
Next came bending new brake lines to fit, which was entertaining, and left a lot of spilled brake fluid at the master cylinder. Annoyingly the right front hard line was shorter than the existing one and so we had to bend the hose/line bracket to make it fit.
More annoyingly, the rear hard lines to the wheel/drum were at least 10cm too short. The kit was to cover all LHD Ghias 59-74 but they didn’t have the 420mm lines in the diagram. I have contacted the supplier, hopefully replacements will be forthcoming!

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2024 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Front hard lines in place and looking good!


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2024 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

And they'll never rust Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2024 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Still waiting for replacement hard lines for the rear, but fitted the braided hoses at the front. They are really nice quality, plastic sheath on the outside and a compression nut instead of the spring ‘U’ clamps. Very nice!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

what brand of braided hoses are they?
neat fit too, those clips can be a pain
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Ian Godfrey wrote:
what brand of braided hoses are they?
neat fit too, those clips can be a pain


Goodrich Ian. They were a very neat fit when I made the mistake of fitting the shorter rear hoses at the front! All sorted now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Two steps forward…
Once the correct length hard lines arrived for the rear, I bent them into shape with a combination of tube benders and sockets (in a vice). They are a complex shape, but luckily one of the originals was still correct and so I used it as a template. Fitted up perfectly!
Annoyingly though, the braided hose for the rear IS THE WRONG LENGTH!!!
300mm instead of 245. Unreal. The kit is supposed to be for Ghia, front discs and IRS but there are obviously differences between the years. I have contacted the supplier and we will see, but it’s another unwanted delay.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

I haven’t had photos to give an update but I finally got the brake work all done and tidied up. I drained the reservoir and so we are sitting with nice fresh fluid in the system. A couple of tests drives and everything is working well.
Because the Ghia won ’Best in Show’ at a local show last year it has qualified for a ‘Champion of Champions’ slot in one of Scotland’s biggest car shows, the extravaganza held at Glamis castle. It feels like a privilege to be able to show the car there and I want her to look her best! I have had trouble getting the beauty rings for the wheels to fit but I think by sanding off some of the paint on the steel rim 3/4 of them now fit solidly and one doesn’t seat properly. I think I will leave them off and fit them at the show.
I spent the day yesterday washing, waxing and cleaning the Ghia inside and out and gathering things together for the trip. We will take the (new) campervan and stay Friday and Saturday nights and they ask that entrants show the vehicles on Saturday and Sunday. Should be a fun experience!
Pics are from a test run for the brakes and during the wash session.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Awesome, Congrats, and keep us all posted!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

rbsurfguy wrote:
Awesome, Congrats, and keep us all posted!!
Jeff


Thanks Jeff! You’ve inspired me to be a bit more diligent about posting and showing some pictures leading up to, and over the weekend.
The Ghia has been to plenty of shows and I usually feel like I enter to get a good parking spot, and to get the chance to chat to people about her, and folk are always interested in the story.
The Ghia is tucked up in the garage now, until we leave

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I don’t have lots of ‘accessories’ but I’ll show you what I’m taking along for this weekend:

Front trunk, with original repaired card liner

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Picnic rug (to protect the liner!)

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Period picnic chair

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Period picnic table (for the information folder/articles about the Ghia)

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Period foot pump and tool roll, factory tool roll (and some actual, useful tools!)

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Info folder, articles, owners manual, laminated info cards

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Beauty rings, NOS hub caps and a spare hub cap (pessimist!)

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You probably know the weather in Scotland is unpredictable and if she gets soaked/dirty on the way I’ve got a basic cleaning kit: car shampoo, wax, chrome polish and glass cleaner.
I’ve realised that all makes me sound super serious (which I’m not!) but I guess I just want her to look her best and not be overshadowed at what is a pretty big, all marques show.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Your Ghia always looks like it is fresh from the factory. So clean and shiny! Lovely car in such an awesome color that is obviously well cared for. You do excellent work.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Marcdeb wrote:
Your Ghia always looks like it is fresh from the factory. So clean and shiny! Lovely car in such an awesome color that is obviously well cared for. You do excellent work.


Thanks Marc, we are very lucky to have her. Like you, I’m treading the fine line between restoration and preservation!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

The whitewall tyres always seem to look a bit grubby. I pressure washed them when I cleaned the wheels but the white especially never comes clean. I have put some glycerine (glycerol) on them which I use for all things rubber and it usually makes it look a bit fresher but it would be great to hear any successful tips that others have used?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

I bought new "Vitour" thin white wall tires for my 71 Ghia. They were a little over $400 delivered. They looked great when new. I originally would clean them with regular Simple Green and they would clean up really well but soon started looking dull and over time they now look very brown. In my case its the black rubber that's slowly coming through the white wall. I called the tire dealer and was told that it's a budget priced tire and the black rubber bleeds into the white over time. I hope this is not what's happening with your tires.

Nothing will whiten the tires I bought other then white wall "markers" which I plan to try.

For my 68, I bought better quality Coker white walls. Its been over almost 2 years and they still clean up easily with Simple Green and look as good as new.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

Marcdeb wrote:
I bought new "Vitour" thin white wall tires for my 71 Ghia. They were a little over $400 delivered. They looked great when new. I originally would clean them with regular Simple Green and they would clean up really well but soon started looking dull and over time they now look very brown. In my case its the black rubber that's slowly coming through the white wall. I called the tire dealer and was told that it's a budget priced tire and the black rubber bleeds into the white over time. I hope this is not what's happening with your tires.

Nothing will whiten the tires I bought other then white wall "markers" which I plan to try.

For my 68, I bought better quality Coker white walls. Its been over almost 2 years and they still clean up easily with Simple Green and look as good as new.


Yeah, they’re definitely budget tyres (Golden tyre, or something like that!)
We’ve had 11 years out of them, so I’m not too cut up about them. I’ve never really had a good go at cleaning them, so I’ll try a few different options. After the glycerine, Blue magic is supposed to be good. Failing that, there are a couple of stronger whitewall products or, as you say, ‘markers’ I can try. We’ll see!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

I managed to fit the three of the beauty rings that go on very securely. The fourth hub cap, weirdly, is loose when it’s fitted alone but won’t click into place with the very thin beauty ring underneath. As I mentioned, I will just fit it at the show. To be honest, you’d hardly notice that the shiny ring is missing!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Late 1969 Ghia vert preservation/ restoration Reply with quote

We spent the afternoon driving up to the car show in Glamis. It’s about 100miles but the traffic around Edinburgh was terrible and so, with stops every hour of so for a leg stretch it took us about 4 1/2 hours! We haven’t been to this before but it seems a huge show, the campground is large and super busy and there seems to be a great range of high quality vehicles here. Anyway, we had a wander in the huge castle grounds and have come inside now as it’s started raining!
I’m glad we’ve got the California to camp in: plenty of space and nice and warm inside!

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